Monday, January 7, 2013

Public perception and raw milk...

I had some different ideas about what I would write about today but this news article HERE really needed to be discussed. It is not that the journalist, Mike Hixenbaugh of the Virginian-Pilot, is unfair in his treatment of raw milk producers or consumers but because of a single comment of a government official concerning parents giving their children raw milk. It boils down the public debate into one single sound byte:
"I can't imagine people who feed raw milk to their children," said Elaine Lidholm, a spokeswoman for the Virginia Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services, which regulates food sales in the state. "To me, it's akin to the parents taking a 6-year-old girl to a crowded theater to see 'Batman' at midnight. She got killed."
It is an appalling statement, one she apparently later wished to take back given the recent violence in the Connecticut school. While Lidholm may have apologized for her "grisly analogy" it is not the "grisly" nature but its preposterous and fallacious nature that I find offensive. I live right by that theater and my family used to attend movies there and while I may question the judgement of taking a small child to a film for adults in the middle of the night, this girl's parents certainly did not take her there with the intention of having her shot and killed by a deranged man. How dare Lidholm be so callous. These are the words of a professional, experienced public relations official speaking in an official capacity and that makes it more troubling. I hope the child's family never see this article. Even if anyone ever did intend such a result, need I even address the rationale of having a child executed being analogous to feeding a child a food consumed regularly in all time and places in this world for thousands of years? Seriously? Does she really have that poor of a grasp of what analogy means? It is a wonder she passed the SATs.

In documenting producers, consumers, and their relationships to each other; Hixenbaugh makes an interesting point: raw milk draws together people of widely varying backgrounds, people who might not have much else in common. This is most certainly true, I have seen it myself. But as much as raw milk brings us together, it also divides in a deep and profound way. There is this vociferous, knee-jerk response to raw milk consumption that results in pretty vituperative language. You know, like when official spokes-persons for government agencies tell the press that feeding raw milk to children is akin to taking them to the movies in order to be executed. That kind of language.

The truth is that people die and sometimes it is because of something they ate and sometimes it is because the food was contaminated. But given the fact that there have been many recent, large scale and deathly food borne illnesses from foods such as hamburger, eggs, spinach, peanut butter, bean sprouts, jalapenos and the constant threat that seafood poses it seems strange to me that raw milk stirs up all the bile in the press. Even my husband's super-cool, ultra-hippy, neo-communist friend who happens to also hold an advanced degree in anthropology as well as being a medical doctor, will never let his kids consume raw milk in our house. When I asked him about it, he told me all about his medical school training (ahem, I would call it indoctrination). What about all those other foods? Should they be regulated or even banned? Not even he thinks they should. So why should milk? Why is it that milk divides us so much?

I recently had a conversation with a relative about Heifer International, a terrific organization that satisfies peoples' need for healthy food stuffs as well as income by giving them a milking animal. You can find out more about the charity HERE. It is fascinating to me that so many people tell me how wonderful they think this organization is but still they oppose raw milk. Do they not realize that there aren't pasteurization machines being passed out in equal numbers with the heifers? This organization improves health and prosperity by providing access to raw milk. Period. How can they hold both opinions, contradictory opinions, without their heads exploding? It is because they ignore the contradiction.

I will not ignore the contradiction.

Only one thing can be true.

I am not afraid of raw milk. Are you?

For more reading see:
Raw Milk and the Blame GameThis Mother, Mother Jones, and Raw Milk as well as Gary Taubes' must read article in the

42 comments:

  1. No, I'm not afraid. I just wish I could get it up here in Alaska. At one point I had a source of both raw goat and cow, but they've both opted to not sell anymore. The costs were a lot though (about $80 per month for 2 gallons a week). When we move back down to the lower 48, I will find a raw milk source or purchase an animal for ourselves. I much prefer to have my family drinking raw milk. Plus, it makes great yogurt!

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    1. My oldest lives in Wyoming where he attends college and where there is hardly any access to raw milk. He has really struggled with his gut health and I made sure we had extra when he was here. It is amazing the difference in his health. I wish it was more universally available; we would all be healthier.

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    2. What part of the state are you in? There's some great milk available in the Mat-Su valley!

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    3. Do you mind emailing with that information so I can pass it along? Thanks!

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    4. Thanks for asking. I'm in Fairbanks, so my access is limited :( There's SO much more available towards Anchorage, but with our extreme climate here in the interior, I don't blame people for not farming. It's cold!

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  2. Anonymous1/08/2013

    Wow, there would be no apology big enough for that verbal vomit. :(

    And nope, not afraid. Happy dancing this morning because I'm going to check out a new raw milk source today. Lost the original source due to dry conditions/dead pasture this summer.
    ~Chris~

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    1. I know, Chris, that is exactly what that was! I hope you find a great new producer!

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  3. Can't wait to get my weekly 6 gallons of raw milk today!

    ~ Lynn

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  4. Anonymous1/08/2013

    Belonging to my milk coop is the best thing I've done for my family. I drive once a month to get our biweekly milk and eggs in beautiful Amish and Mennonite country in Kansas. I grew up on it, my parents raised 13 kids on our own raw milk, I fed it to my 2 adopted infants (WAPF recipe), and for the past 7 years my own family of 8 has thrived on it's goodness. God bless the raw milk producers!

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    1. I am glad you had the WAPF recipe. Can you imagine all those poor babies raised on soy?

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  5. Anonymous1/08/2013

    Nope, not afraid. My family's been drinking it every day for over a year and are healthier than we've ever been!

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    1. When my oldest came back for Christmas, I was shocked by his GI trouble and so glad he was able to drink a half gallon, by himself, his first day home. He needs it, my kids just aren't healthy without it.

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  6. Anonymous1/08/2013

    Not afraid once I learned the truth via WAPF and others. We've been drinking it for almost 3 yrs now. I even drank it while pregnant with my second child and am again now with my third. It's something I can get down easily even with nausea and food aversions, thank God.
    ~Leah

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    1. Leah, I am like that! That first trimester is so, so hard! Milk makes sure I get what I need when solid food makes me sick to even think about.

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  7. No, not afraid. I also feed my babies and toddlers raw milk from my BREAST.. ew! ;-0

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    1. Exactly, how is that any different? Go, mamma!

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  8. The issue is fear, alright, but it's not fear of unpasteurized germs. It's fear of power to the people. When you uncomplicate life, you make the money hungry corporations fume because you are cutting them out of the picture. That is what it comes down to, in my opinion.

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    1. The thing that gets me is that people WANT government, NGOs and corporations to tell them what to do!

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  9. Well-said! When I saw the comment about the Aurora shootings, my jaw dropped. And we're definitely not afraid! We just got a new dairy this week and we're very excited to finally have access to raw cream. :)

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    1. That is just how I felt! I was running errands and I went right past it just an hour before I read that. They are remodeling and planning to reopen and there is no way I will go back. But, that is such a wound right here, right now and I was appalled that she would capitalize on it in that way. It was real, not just a news story.

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    2. My husband and I were just talking about the theater and I wondered if it was going to be reopened. Columbine was a tad different as it's a school (thus, in theory, no money is made on the premises) and they did do a tasteful memorial where the worst of the crime occurred. But to reopen a -movie theater- that was the scene of such a horrific event is, at best, tasteless. At worst, I wonder if it'll be used for capital gain in the future.

      So will you have your own cow in Michigan? :)

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    3. The cow is a goal, they used to have cows up there but it became too much for the uncle who lives there alone now. I agree about the theater. I drive by it at least once a week if not twice because it is so close by. I will never, never go back. It seems in such poor taste. They did change the marquis, did you see that? It no longer reads "Century 16" but simply "Century". Columbine and Bailey High Schools were different, it is a school, and this is a place to spend money on recreation.

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    4. I actually live in Littleton, a mile from Columbine, so I don't get over to that side of town often and I haven't seen it. I wonder what the significance of removing the 16 was....it all just seems very strange.

      A cow would be exciting, but I can also see that they would definitely be a lot of work. With your clan, though, I bet you would use all the milk it produces! :)

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  10. Nope, not afraid thanks to WAPF. We have enjoyed wonderful milk for 3 years now and have even converted my mom who lives with us. You are right about some issues simply polarizing people for no apparent, logical reason. Vaccinations are another and I found during my years as a lactation educator that breastfeeding could get people riled up quickly. Makes no sense.

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    1. They always say you should never talk religion or politics but I think that taboo is gone, it really is raw milk, vaccinations, breastfeeding and homebirth.

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  11. I have been feeding raw milk to my family for the past 15 years. Definitely not afraid of raw milk. I AM afraid of ignorance in a position of power and influence.
    My 16 and 18yo girls are not afraid either and they will be training the next generation!
    Loved the way you exposed the contradiction of those who are supportive of an organization which provides animals (whose product is raw milk!) as a means to enhance nutrition and end the cycle of poverty yet afraid of raw milk here at home. Touche!

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  12. Anonymous1/09/2013

    One difficulty is that these "highly-educated" people have never learned to question what they have been told. They've never looked at the numbers. They use no sense. They believe that "government" wants to keep them safe. "Just get on this train. We're taking you to a camp for worker re-education."

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    1. Can I tell you how much I loved the line, "Get on the train!" You should make a shirt that says that!

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  13. Anonymous1/09/2013

    It still has a higher risk per serving than peanut butter, beef, pasteurized milk, etc. People forget that not a lot of people drink raw milk. So comparing total numbers of illness without adjusting for that is silly.

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    1. Well, that depends. There are some interesting problems that arise from the figures from the USDA. Firstly, there is a difference between milk intended for pasteurization and milk that is intended to be consumed raw. There was a substantial out break that was attributed to raw milk when milk intended for pasteurization was purchased and turned into raw milk cheese. It was listed as a "raw milk" out break. The problem is that milk that is intended for raw consumption by reputable producers is carefully and properly handled since there is no expectation of the safeguard of pasteurization.

      So before you suggest that I or anyone else is silly for not accommodating consumption rates into illness rates, we need to make sure that we are both on the same page when it comes to the proper categorization of out breaks.

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  14. The biggest danger with raw milk is time and handling. The more time spent outside of the cow and improper handling are what give dangerous bacteria a chance to gain foothold in milk. We only drink raw when we have it from our own animal and it's less than 12 hours old. In our house, anything older is pasteurized for cheese or yogurt.

    So I guess we are somewhere in between on the raw milk issue. I have a 3 year old and a nursing 5 month old (obviously she gets her milk extra fresh) so that's why I take an extra measure of caution.

    Interestingly, Indiana did a raw milk study through Purdue and I thought it was very sensible and seems relatively unbiased. Our state is taking raw milk laws into consideration so that was the reason for the study. http://www.extension.purdue.edu/extmedia/AS/AS-612-W.pdf

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    1. I am really glad that you shared that resource. I was surprised that it mentioned the European boiled/non-boiled milk and asthma study.

      What you touch on is critical, and that is that individual handling practices affect raw milk safety on an individual level. You have to trust your producer to not cut corners. Because the quality of raw milk is not a universal standard, it can be hard for people to see it as a healthy option for people.

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  15. I have had my own goats for 5 years now. Even my husband who.was a hard sell will not give up his raw milk now. The difference really is incredible. We also have a herd share because goats r dry for a few months a year and I've not been able to figure out a way around that. I do enjoy the break.from milking though. It is extremely hard work. I do agree with the above comments that I attribute most of the "fear" to greed. This makes even more sense when you study and read why we even have pasteurized milk, dirt, greed, ethics or lack thereof. The conventional dairies do not want access to raw milk legalized. They no more people would choose it. This is the same as CAFOs and pasture raised, conventional produce and farmers markets, supermarkets and artisnal food makers and producers. I watch PBS and the travel shows. We dont have cable. I am amazed, astonished, and envious of some of the lifestyles and food and food producers I see. Our government does not really like independence and thinkers. This includes state and local governments. How sad and scary also .

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    1. You cannot be counted on to do as you are told if you are independent. Keep it up, you are doing the right thing!

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  16. Anonymous1/12/2013

    I run Dexter cattle, and we usually have a milk cow going (and drink it raw), as well I worked in my neighbour's dairy for a time and drank raw there as well. I CAN see the other side too (I'm 'indoctrinated' to use your words ;) have a Bsc. in Microbiology and Biochemistry and worked in clinical microbiolgy and Chemistry for 17 years before taking up farming full time, and as you say; it's all the handling. Honestly, I don't know that I'd be too keen to drink raw milk handled by someone I didn't know personally (to judge for myself their knowledge/standards), raw milk is THE perfect meduium for some nasty bacteria, but in competent, knowledgeable hands, safe and healthy. At any rate, the risk is very small (probably smaller than consuming industrial-prepared food!), so I'll enjoy my glass thank you very much. Caveat Emptor; let the buyer beware. By the way, I'm Sue Dick and I farm in Manitoba Canada, but I can't seem to post under any option other than 'anonymous'

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    1. That is a really good point about the trust issue. It does take a lot of trust and sometimes that trust is misplaced. But, given your credentials, I think I would trust you!

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  18. That "official" womans comments on the milk issue just takes the cake.
    I thought you would enjoy a short raw milk post from my own blog.
    http://ouradyofthefields.blogspot.com/2012/01/support-your-local-raw-milk-criminal.html

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    1. I loved that post so much I linked to it on FB!

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  19. You might like my husbands band here at the Upper Midwest Organic Farming Conference. They sing a song called "Raw MIlk Criminal" (the inspiration for my blog post) Its funny, they played at the conference for years, but last year, after they introduced this song, they were not asked back. Coincidence?? I think not, since the biggest monetary supporters of this conference are Organic Valley and Horizon....
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fdg-GgjJVCQ

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